Here they go again

The American Civil Liberties Union is at it once again. To use John Leo's words,

"This time around, the folks with the magnifying glasses are leaning on the village of Tijeras, N.M., whose seal contains a conquistador's helmet and sword, a scroll, a desert plant, a fairly large religious symbol (the Native American zia) and a quite small Christian cross. "Tiny cross" inspectors are not permitted to fret about large non-Christian religious symbols, only undersized Christian ones, so the ACLU filed suit to get the cross removed."

The ACLU hypocrisy is over the top. They have already put pressure on Los Angeles County to remove the tiny cross on its seal. The organization has ignored other larger non-Christian religious symbols. They also ignored the atheists, Buddhists, Hindu and Muslim residents in LA County who urged the County to keep the cross on the seal, as it represented a significant part of Los Angeles history.

The controversy rages around the nation. A boy was not allowed to read his Bible during recess. The New York school argued that "recess" is not really free time. It's still school time. So, it was their job to maintain that wall of separation between church and state.

In Torrance, California students were forbidden from attending the annual national "See You At The Pole" day to pray for their campus and for the nation before school starts.

Things have to change. I think the ACLU consistently overplays its hand. Unfortunately, not everyone else agrees. What I do know is that our founders would turn over in their graves at the thought that this is taking place in their land.

The freedoms granted to us in the First Amendment seem to be contingent on our faith. And, if the ACLU had its way, Christians might not even be allowed citizenship, for fear that the state would be condoning that faith. It sounds extreme. But, carrying the ACLU philosophy to its logical extreme leaves you wondering whether we'd truly live in a democratic society. Not if they had it their way.


At 10/24/2005 10:37:00 AM, Anonymous aj4runner said...

The ACLU is mortal enemy of the liberty & freedom and of the United States of America.

The ACLU = Joseph Stalin = Lenin = Cuba = North Korea = China = Osama Bin Laden = islamic terrorists = Michael Moore = MoveOn.org = John Kerry = Hillary Clinton = Howard Dean, etc., etc., etc.

The ACLU is all about the destruction of the USA. They align themselves with those who have that same goal and support politicians who are too weak to stand up to the evil forces behind this effort (Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are prime examples)

At 10/24/2005 01:27:00 PM, Blogger William said...

I would really like to know if the ACLU does any good for our nation as a whole. To me, it seems like the Religious KKK - whose goal is not to wipe out racial influences, but to wipe all that is remotely Christian.

They are the American Civil Liberties Union, yet their goal is not to protect all Americans. How can they confidently even put the "A" in their title? And when are our citizens along with our local governements going to discern exactly what their ultimate agenda truly is? It's quite disturbing.

At 10/24/2005 06:15:00 PM, Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

I picked up "The ACLU vs America" over the weekend. Very good read.

I yearn for the day when the morally bankrupt ACLU also becomes financially bankrupt.

At 10/24/2005 07:41:00 PM, Anonymous KO said...

Our country was founded on freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. I will never understand (aside from spiritual warfare) why the ACLU gets five minutes of anyone's time when it comes to fighting against the display of symbols that reflect a state's or our nation's heritage (ie. a cross on the California flag to represent the missions, etc.). Our heritage is what it is, and thankfully so. Or, even going after Christmas (which I'm sure we'll see many more cases from them as we head into December). It's what Christmas IS. People may celebrate it in many different ways or not even celebrate its true meaning, but this doesn't change the essence of what it is. The anti-Christian campaign is so ridiculous. I too hope they go bankrupt soon unless they can fairly represent ALL Americans, which clearly they are not and have never been willing to do.

At 10/24/2005 09:46:00 PM, Blogger Cabe said...

Anti-Constitution Liberals Union.

At 10/25/2005 03:25:00 AM, Anonymous david said...

The pertinent part of the first amendment reads: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

How on earth did this ever get turned into the removal of crosses and nativity scenes from public view. Where is the law establishing a religion? Where are the people that will stand up to the ACLU?

At 10/25/2005 04:19:00 AM, Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

John Leo also wrote, in the same piece, "The cross is obviously not an endorsement of religon ..." So what does it really matter? Just asking.

Freaking out every time a couple of lawyers who are members of the ACLU go to an extreme -- which is usually the case -- and condemning the whole organization, is just about like taking what Fred Phelps does as an indication of what mainstream Christianity thinks, and condemning all Christians out of hand.

The following, from the ACLU's Web page, is either true or it is not:

ACLU statement on Defense of Religious Liberty

March 2, 2005

The right of each and every American to practice his or her own religion, or no religion at all, is among the most fundamental of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The Constitution's framers understood very well that religious liberty can flourish only if the government leaves religion alone.

The American Civil Liberties Union has a long history of working to ensure that religious liberty is protected. From the famous 1920 Scopes trial—in which the ACLU challenged a Tennessee law prohibiting the teaching of evolution in schools—to the current Ten Commandments case before the Supreme Court, the ACLU remains committed to keeping the government out of the religion business and protecting every American's right to believe as he or she wishes.

Recent ACLU involvement in religious liberty cases include:

December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.

December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to “Intelligent Design” instruction in public schools.

November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.

November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.

November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.

August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.

July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.

June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.

June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.

May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.

March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.

February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.

October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.

July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.

April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.

January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run “anti-Santa” ads in Boston subways.


At 10/25/2005 06:49:00 AM, Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Freaking out every time a couple of lawyers who are members of the ACLU go to an extreme -- which is usually the case -- and condemning the whole organization, is just about like taking what Fred Phelps does as an indication of what mainstream Christianity thinks, and condemning all Christians out of hand.

Sorry, ER, but that analogy doesn't hold water for me.

Roger Baldwin, the founder of the ACLU, himself basically wrote out that in order to push their socialist agendas, the ACLU should develop a strategy of aiding, on rare occasion, conservative causes. It's a ruse, and a rarity when it happens. The list you provided from the ACLU webpage is miniscule (and a few that don't even belong there)next to the countless number of times the ACLU has pushed their religious bigotry and anti-American agenda upon us.

At 10/25/2005 10:37:00 PM, Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

Oh, so it's the ACLU's original socialist agenda that people object to! Fair enough. Why does virtually no one say that?

Is the ACLU still out to promote socialism? I'm asking. Is socialism, per se, un-American? I don't think so.

I said socialism -- not some other nation, and not Communism.

Oklahoma had a bunch of PENTECOSTAL SOCIALISTS back in the day. It's an economic philosophy. It is not incompatible with Christianity.


At 10/26/2005 03:24:00 AM, Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

Socialism just despises capitalism. And there is lots to despise in capitalism -- and that is NOT the same thing as "American" despite a whle bunch of lunkheads insistence otherwise.

Ours is a mixed economy. A mix of capitalism and -- SOCIALISM.

None of which has jack to do with the Christian faith, per se.

Jesus is a liberal. Deal. :-)


At 10/27/2005 01:58:00 AM, Blogger pawlr said...

"the freedoms granted us in the first amendment are contingent on our faith".. say WHAT?? Find me the word "God" in the constitution... sorry but no sale.

At 10/27/2005 04:08:00 AM, Blogger Pseudo-intellectual lunatic said...

i agree with you they are a pack of ballsheads

At 10/27/2005 06:37:00 AM, Blogger Lores Rizkalla said...

pawl: let's start with the Declaration of Independence, "they are endowed by their Creator certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

pseudo-intellectual: welcome! :)
while i agree with you, i encourage you to use more dignified language as part of our discussion. thank you!


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