France in Flames

"...almost every article I read about it talks about what horrible conditions these immigrants live in, having low employment. Well, has anyone bothered to ask what conditions they had while they lived in North Africa? Algeria is not exactly a worker's paradise. In fact, conditions were much worse where they came from and you do not see these kinds of riots against the government in the Muslims nations in general and North African Muslims nations in particular. Something else is going on beyond economic discontent." --Chris (aka Layman)

My friend, Chris, raises an interesting question. I've been reading the same type of reports. Hugh Hewitt has been one of the few sources who has addressed the Islamist element in the riots. I also came across a piece by Debra Saunders, of the San Francisco Chronicle, that proves very insightful.

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Also, two of my friends have just started blogging. In their honor I have started the "Mama Blogger" Category on my blogroll. I'm happy to introduce you to:
Mom of 4 and Sleep-deprived's Things My Kids Say.


At 11/08/2005 09:34:00 AM, Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

I take it you mean, "high unemployment"? (^_~)

I heard on the radio from someone, a comment about how the unemployment rate in France isn't just amongst the Muslim community; so the notion that it is disenfranchisement doesn't paint an entirely accurate picture; and sidesteps the Muslim culture issue. Furthermore, as far as I can tell, France's welfare system keeps their citizens from being destitute, due to a lack of jobs. If it was merely economic reasons for the rioting, you'd think rioters would be across the board in ethnic makeup...not just Muslim youths behaving like scum. NPR wouldn't even identify these scum as belonging to the Muslim community; instead they are "of African origin". Enough with the politically correct "newspeak"!

Hugh Hewitt, btw, also linked to some analysis to how this relates to the Paris Student Riots of 1968.

At 11/08/2005 04:06:00 PM, Blogger Layman said...

What is funny is that I have been doing that since college. Low employment always seemed more descriptive to me than high unemployment, but unemployment is the widely used term.

My bad, not Lores'.


At 11/08/2005 06:57:00 PM, Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Yes..."low employment"...or "unemployment"...but "low unemployment" is just an accidental mistatement.

At 11/08/2005 08:09:00 PM, Blogger Mark Daniels said...

It is correct to say that, generally speaking conditions are better in France than in, say, Algeria.

But, people emigrate from one country to another, usually, in search of better lives. They hope to become part of the land to which they emigrate.

Ours is a nation composed of immigrant peoples. The American melting pot has not always melted its immigrant waves seamlessly, including those forced to come here by way of slavery. So, we can understand a bit the feelings of France's five-million Muslims.

Keep in mind that these young people--and I agree with LaShawn Barber when she calls them "thugs"--are second-generation French citizens. The "revolution of rising expectations" has hit them. I think that most Americans will concede that the French government, at least, often displays arrogance and a disdain for persons of other cultures. So, there is a frustration among Muslims in France, whose families emigrated there looking for a better life, yet found severe discrimination and what I call "malign negelect.'


At least some of the civil unrest is atttributable to young people who have no desire to be assimilated into French life. Influenced by Islamfascism, their desire is not to participate in a free Western society, but in one dominated by their particular version of Bin Laden-style Islam.

For a whole host of reasons, the French government must stop dilly-dallying and deal with this crisis. (It amazes me that the curfew authorization, which was so late in being promulgated has aroused such opposition from mainstream French political leaders and thinkers.) As I've said on my own blog, there can be no justice without order. French authorities need to establish appropriate order now.

I write all this because I think that in analyzing what's happening in France, we need to avoid the simplistic either-orism that seems to infect some discussions. Ill-treatment by a Western democracy does breed resentment and ripens people for the acceptance of radical Islam. The global war on terrorism requires firm police and military action in some spheres. It will require blunting the legitimacy of the Islamofascist argument by living up to the ideals of democracy and of opportunity societies, on the other.

Mark Daniels

At 11/08/2005 10:07:00 PM, Blogger Lores Rizkalla said...

wordsmith and layman: i just fixed it :)

At 11/08/2005 11:10:00 PM, Blogger Sleep-Deprived said...

Feeling strangely sleep-deprived at the moment, as I thought I posted a note to you here this morning!

Thanks for the blogroll Lores - I really like the Mama Blogger category - very fitting :)

At 11/09/2005 04:18:00 PM, Blogger J. A. Gillmartin said...

Linked to you at The SHEEP'S CRIB.

Heard you on HH a few days ago.



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